On gay marriage, Chris Matthews, and the youth vote.
By Kay Steiger
June 20, 2008
Rachel Maddow is often times the only woman on MSNBC, usually surrounded by a bunch of pretty old white dudes. The awesome part is she more than holds her own. Maddow has her own show on Air America, a doctorate in political science, and a background in AIDS activism. There’s even a rumor (ordemand) for Maddow to host her own show on MSNBC, especially after she guest-hosted for Keith Olbermann earlier this year. Watch her take on the Obama couple’s fist pound:
Campus Progress caught up with Maddow to talk about gay marriage, Chris Matthews, and the youth vote.
CP:You started out in academia and doing some activism and then you made a transition to radio and television. What prompted that transition?
RM: I started doing radio almost on a dare when I was supposed to be finishing my doctoral dissertation. I was living in western Massachusetts. I was crashing with friends. I was doing odd jobs. My scholarship money had run out, and I was not done with my doctorate. Some friends I was living with were connected to this local morning show, and I just showed up to an open audition. I did an on-air open audition, got hired on the spot, and started the next day. At that point I thought it was just going to be one more odd job in a series of very odd jobs, but I really fell in love with it. And after having done that first radio job for a year, I quit so that I could submit my dissertation and do my oral exams and everything, and actually get the doctorate. And I thought that’s it, that would have been my one year in radio, but I missed it a lot. I was like an addict. And I ended up getting the morning show there, and I realized that radio was probably going to be a permanent part of my life.
And now you’re one of the more regular commentators on TV and you’re usually there on election night.
When Air America toured, we had a lot of celebrity hosts: Chuck D of Public Enemy, Al Franken, Janeane Garofalo, and Liz Winstead from The Daily Show. [TV producers] would try to book all the famous people. You know, "Can we get Al Frankton? Can we get Janeane Garofalo? Can we get Liz? Can we get Chuck?" Ultimately, if none of those people were available, they’d eventually get to me. I think I was always like Plan G.
A lot of young women of color or young lesbians say they’re turned off by a lot of television punditry because they just don’t see anyone on television they can really identify with. What’s the problem?
If you could line up a roster of the hosts of cable television programs from end to end, it would be a pretty non-diverse group, but I think high-end media in this country is pretty white-male dominated just like a lot of other power receptors. But it’s not a static thing. And I think that it actually does matter that—Amen—we had this long, interesting, raving extravaganza of a Democratic primary this year with a white woman and a black man as the two major contenders. I think that it created sort of an affirmative-action impulse for pundits, which has been great.
Chris Matthews has come under fire for a lot his comments this year. Is he as mean in person as he seems on TV?
Oh, no. I don’t know any of these people personally. I get along with the make-up lady and the crew guys—those are the people in my television crew who I’ve actually kind of made pals with. I don’t have personal relationships at all with any of these people, but in terms of how people comport themselves at Rockefeller Center and on set, oh no, no, nobody’s mean. Everybody’s nice—Chris Matthews included. He’s a total sweetheart.
And rumor has it that people are talking about you getting your own show on MSNBC. Is it true?
I’ve made no secret about the fact that I would love for that to happen, but there isn’t a secret Rachel Maddow show on TV in the works.
In California, the Supreme Court has essentially legalized gay marriage. Do you think that this is the right strategy for this issue?
I think that in presidential politics when the constitutional amendments banning gay marriage were really used by the Republican Party to try to drive up Republican voter turn-out for George W. Bush, they made, they cast, they spun those constitutional amendments as if they were defense, as if they were building a defense against this gay rights movement which was marching and taking over the country. The fact was that in a lot of those states where the constitutional amendments were passed, the only political work that had ever been done on gay marriage was the anti-stuff. The right has used gay marriage as a political tool much more frequently—and to much greater effect—than the left ever has.
What I think is going to happen in California is like what has already happened in Massachusetts. Once the ruling went into effect from the Massachusetts State Supreme Court and gay people actually formed married partnerships, the whole strategy of the anti-gay marriage people just went out the window, because their whole strategy is based on the fear of what married gay people will do to change the state, will do the change straight people’s lives, will do to damage straight people’s marriages and culture. And once you actually see that gay people getting married doesn’t affect straight people at all, it takes away the fear factor.
This has been the year of the youth vote. Registration and voter turnout among 18-29 year-olds has been higher than it’s been in recent years. How do you think this has played into the election narrative this year?
Whatever the reason, there has been such incredible enthusiasm and turnout on the Democratic side, and the fact that they broke all the turnout records in almost every state, the fact that there are now—depending on which poll you look at—either 9 percent more or 11 percent more people who identify as Democrats in the country than there are people who identify as Republicans, it essentially tilts the playing field for the November elections toward the Democratic Party. And I think that, honestly, the youth vote is a very big part of that.
When you’re saying that this is going to be the year of huge youth voter turnout, you’re not making a partisan statement, but the fact remains that that does actually bode well for Democrats because demographically, young people do tend to vote Democratic, and the increased young voter turnout is in the context of this increased, huge Democratic registration and turnout. I think that it’s not a partisan phenomenon, but it has big partisan implications.
And what kind of advice would you offer to young people?
The thing that is most satisfying doing political commentary and political analysis is learning how to not be a common wisdom generator, picking your own specific, well-informed, thoughtful perspective on stuff out there. The fact remains that in the blog world today, you can be an influential political analyst and commentator without any institutional support if you write things that are smart enough and interesting enough, well-informed enough, and provocative enough, that other people are willing to link to you. Literally, the blog world has created a real meritocracy in terms of political commentary. You know, snark alone—it will not get you there. You have to really be contributing stuff in the debate, and that’s really the most satisfying thing about having this job—that challenge.
Kay Steiger is an Associate Editor at Campus Progress.
There may not be a “secret” Maddow show in the works, but there is a publicly announced pilot that was produced. MSNBC would be wise to follow up on that.
I am in love with Rachel Maddow, so this interview would have definitely been a dream come true. Please keep up the good work with everything. We need many more people like her as pundits!
I am so happy to see this interview. I have long thought that Rachel Maddow is the best pundit. I download her Air America podcast (she is hilarious) and have religiously watched her commentary on the primaries on MSNBC. She is fantastic and I really hope MSNBC does give her a show.
I love Rachel Maddow also and love this interview. I do get a chuckle of how they “glamour shot” her for MSNBC. I swear she is wearing fake eyelashes! Hey, she doesn’t need it but whatever works.
Rachel Maddow is irritating and full of silly liberal views and ideas. I don’t like to see her on any show. MSMBC has shown its true colors by having her talk about her views. YuuK – no thanks!
Dear Rachel: First of all, I think you are fabulous, a breath of fresh air. Secondly, I think you should ask a few open-ended questions of Eduard Schevardnadze, regarding the crisis in Georgia. He’s 80 now and may be ailing, but if he’s able, he could really illuminate the situation. WP
i just watched sarah palin speak in lancaster,penn. and it’s the same old boreing speech she gave at the republican convention. isn’t that like 3 days in a row now? it’s kind of like the enigeriser bunny, he only knows how to beat his little drum until the battery runs down, then he just sits there. i’d also like to hear more about joe biden, it seems like since john mccain introduced sarah that you guys have forgotten about joe. and since i am an obama/biden, stand fast democrate, i’d like to hear more about what joe has been doing than sarah. you haven’t had much in the news about him lately. and i’d also like to hear what hillary and bill think about mrs. palin since john mccain thinks sarah is a good substtute for hillary in this campaign. she doesn’t hold a candle to hillary in my books and i don’t feel any of hillary’s supporters will feel much different than i do.
glenna dotson
chickasha,ok.
Hi Rachel,
First of all let me tell you that I think you should be the Vice Pres. pick on the McCain ticket but then you would be on the other side, anyway with that being said. I have been so down about the economics. I am a business woman and have been a career woman for about 36 years and couldn’t be more ticked off that Sen McCain think so little about the American People that he would stoop so low to bring Sarah Palin to the table to play ball with the big boys. I did not have to think hard about those questions the Gov. couldn’t answer because they were elementary question and answer sessions. Tonight I was so down but after I was about 5 mins into your show with the dedication to the Gov. I was rolling. I could not tell the last time I had such a good laugh. You captured what I would think was the true Sarah Palin. She may be the Gov of Alaska but she is certainly no where close to be the VP of anything. That darling baby of hers needs her attention and she should spend time taking care of him and bow out gracefully before all the comedians continue to use her as the opening to their delivery. Rachel if you were to represent the country in place of Sarah then you would win my vote. By the way I am also a Military woman, and I give
Sen McCain his props for being a survivor of a POW but with his erratic behavior he certainly would never get my vote. Rachel continue doing what you do because your freshness helps me to keep my sanity.
!
“Rachel Maddow is often times the only woman on MSNBC, usually surrounded by a bunch of pretty old white dudes.”
Well—at least they’re pretty!
— Rory O'Connor - Jun 18, 01:52 PM - #Great interview!
— Thomas Coen - Jun 18, 04:46 PM - #There may not be a “secret” Maddow show in the works, but there is a publicly announced pilot that was produced. MSNBC would be wise to follow up on that.
— Mark @ News Corpse - Jun 18, 05:03 PM - #Her name is Lizz Winstead, not Winston. Do your homework!
— Christopher Perez - Jun 19, 03:48 PM - #Her name is Liz Winstead, not Winston. Do your homework!
— Christopher Perez - Jun 19, 03:48 PM - #Her name is Liz Winstead, not Winston. Do your homework!
— Christopher Perez - Jun 19, 03:49 PM - #Good catch on spelling, great repetition, and excellent use of exclamation mark to chide!
— Campus Progress - Jun 19, 10:19 PM - #Fixed. Good catch, great repetition, and excellent use of exclamation mark to chide!
— Campus Progress - Jun 19, 10:21 PM - #I am in love with Rachel Maddow, so this interview would have definitely been a dream come true. Please keep up the good work with everything. We need many more people like her as pundits!
— Preston Mitchum - Jun 20, 02:04 AM - #I am so happy to see this interview. I have long thought that Rachel Maddow is the best pundit. I download her Air America podcast (she is hilarious) and have religiously watched her commentary on the primaries on MSNBC. She is fantastic and I really hope MSNBC does give her a show.
— Amanda Walnler - Jun 20, 02:21 PM - #I love Rachel Maddow also and love this interview. I do get a chuckle of how they “glamour shot” her for MSNBC. I swear she is wearing fake eyelashes! Hey, she doesn’t need it but whatever works.
— Ryan Healey - Jun 25, 03:50 PM - #Rachel Maddow is irritating and full of silly liberal views and ideas. I don’t like to see her on any show. MSMBC has shown its true colors by having her talk about her views. YuuK – no thanks!
— Beth M - Jul 25, 08:52 PM - #Dear Rachel: First of all, I think you are fabulous, a breath of fresh air. Secondly, I think you should ask a few open-ended questions of Eduard Schevardnadze, regarding the crisis in Georgia. He’s 80 now and may be ailing, but if he’s able, he could really illuminate the situation. WP
— wally pickford - Aug 19, 12:04 PM - #hi rachel,
i just watched sarah palin speak in lancaster,penn. and it’s the same old boreing speech she gave at the republican convention. isn’t that like 3 days in a row now? it’s kind of like the enigeriser bunny, he only knows how to beat his little drum until the battery runs down, then he just sits there. i’d also like to hear more about joe biden, it seems like since john mccain introduced sarah that you guys have forgotten about joe. and since i am an obama/biden, stand fast democrate, i’d like to hear more about what joe has been doing than sarah. you haven’t had much in the news about him lately. and i’d also like to hear what hillary and bill think about mrs. palin since john mccain thinks sarah is a good substtute for hillary in this campaign. she doesn’t hold a candle to hillary in my books and i don’t feel any of hillary’s supporters will feel much different than i do. glenna dotson chickasha,ok.
— glenna - Sep 9, 04:56 PM - #Rachel who? A young and thinner Rosie. Whatever.
— Jeff I - Sep 11, 07:51 AM - #Hi Rachel,
— doreen - Oct 1, 09:47 PM - #First of all let me tell you that I think you should be the Vice Pres. pick on the McCain ticket but then you would be on the other side, anyway with that being said. I have been so down about the economics. I am a business woman and have been a career woman for about 36 years and couldn’t be more ticked off that Sen McCain think so little about the American People that he would stoop so low to bring Sarah Palin to the table to play ball with the big boys. I did not have to think hard about those questions the Gov. couldn’t answer because they were elementary question and answer sessions. Tonight I was so down but after I was about 5 mins into your show with the dedication to the Gov. I was rolling. I could not tell the last time I had such a good laugh. You captured what I would think was the true Sarah Palin. She may be the Gov of Alaska but she is certainly no where close to be the VP of anything. That darling baby of hers needs her attention and she should spend time taking care of him and bow out gracefully before all the comedians continue to use her as the opening to their delivery. Rachel if you were to represent the country in place of Sarah then you would win my vote. By the way I am also a Military woman, and I give
Sen McCain his props for being a survivor of a POW but with his erratic behavior he certainly would never get my vote. Rachel continue doing what you do because your freshness helps me to keep my sanity.